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Daddy · Dec 13, 2011, 05:41 PM // 17:41

OK... So I have searched and all previous threads relating to this topic are pre-SF nerf #1,000. So, I have been brain storming on the idea of soloing Bogroots Growth for one of the few rares left that's worth anything. After a few unsuccessful theories and tests, I am opening up to the great minds found on guru.

I mean, since there is a discussion on solo DoA, this should be cake right?

So.... a/me, a/e, r/a, e/me, or a Vow of Silence Derv?

Dzjudz · Dec 13, 2011, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Easiest way is probably to take 7 heroes, run the first level, and run to the bosses on the second level and kill them with your heroes.

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Stormclouds say hi. You use to be able to do it a while back when UA use to res across the map, and there are plenty of full party builds for it. Sadly since stormclouds can remove Enchants with their shriek, I don't think a solo build can do it since it is almost impossible to avoid all the stormclouds the 2nd floor.

Daddy · Dec 13, 2011, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Problems I have with that:
1. Will my heros spawn at the nearest shrine I wiped at? Or will we all respawn at the closest shrine to where they wiped?
2. Solo Frog Farm

I get what your saying and I'm not trying to sound rude, but I was thinking more build theory crafting than run there with any 7 heros.

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

Stormclouds say hi. You use to be able to do it a while back when UA use to res across the map, and there are plenty of full party builds for it. Sadly since stormclouds can remove Enchants with their shriek, I don't think a solo build can do it since it is almost impossible to avoid all the stormclouds the 2nd floor.

Plus- the Ectoplazma TV guy, or whatever, on youtube, was chatting to a guy in his comments section. He said that there is a way to solo, but you have to figure it out. Got me to thinking you know?
Yes, but why not use cover enchants? I got to the first boss, with a little careful running yesterday. I was asking for a little brainstorming session over what could work and might work, not how it is possible to sc (which I use to run all the time- Manlyway ftw).

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I can say it is possible to solo vq every area in the game, but that doesn't exactly mean it is true.

As for cover enchants, most of the time you run into Stormclouds it is what 2+ for the most part, with a patrol or 2 with 4-5 in it...If you dedicate your bar to just cover enchants, what do you plan on using for damage. I really only see sliver armor working, but even then I doubt it can out damage the healing from the frog rit healers.

Genius Was Revrac · Dec 13, 2011, 06:23 PM // 18:23

MY buddy( who also just posted the q9 dom in the high end section from a farm run earlier this week) and I have a heroway style for farming Frogs. We both use dual accounts(I am the first floor runner+MoP Nec) and he is the Main Tank and the 100b. WE both then take 2 para hero's. Essentially I run the first floor, and the second floor we run together using only an essence. The trick is to get 50% of the accounts in your team to the next shrine. By shrine hopping the second floor and eating 2-3 deaths along the way, we have got our run down to 3 min on the first floor, and 7min on the 2nd floor. No pcons are needed and only Death Penalty remover is used during the run. Now I know that this is not a solo style that you want, but If you access to dual accounts or a Friend who does, then you can easily farm Froggy's like us. We have netted 6 Frog Scepters this week alone. Feel free to pm me in game- Genius Was REvrac

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Genius Was Revrac

MY buddy( who also just posted the q9 dom in the high end section from a farm run earlier this week) and I have a heroway style for farming Frogs. We both use dual accounts(I am the first floor runner+MoP Nec) and he is the Main Tank and the 100b. WE both then take 2 para hero's. Essentially I run the first floor, and the second floor we run together using only an essence. The trick is to get 50% of the accounts in your team to the next shrine. By shrine hopping the second floor and eating 2-3 deaths along the way, we have got our run down to 3 min on the first floor, and 7min on the 2nd floor. No pcons are not needed and only Death Penalty remover is used during the run. Now I know that this is not a solo style that you want, but If you access to dual accounts or a Friend who does, then you can easily farm Froggy's like us. We have netted 6 Frog Scepters this week alone. Feel free to pm me in game- Genius Was REvrac

John tell skervy he is bad. And yeah he already shot down the idea with heros a few posts up.

Daddy · Dec 13, 2011, 06:28 PM // 18:28

ok...
SF
Shroud
Dwarven stability (cover)
Dash/Dark Escape
shadow refuge/ feigned (cover)
empty
empty
empty

thats if its a/*

I'm looking for real feedback. (and I did make it past the stormclouds)

I used the above bar with:
Wastrel's, Empathy, and Channeling

Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

John tell skervy he is bad. And yeah he already shot down the idea with heros a few posts up.

Not necessarily the idea of using one hero. According to the guy above you, 50% of the players have to make it to next shrine. So what if we brought one hero specced to help kill the boss(s)?

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Daddy

ok...
SF
Shroud
Dwarven stability (cover)
Dash/Dark Escape
shadow refuge/ feigned (cover)
empty
empty
empty

thats if its a/*

I'm looking for real feedback. (and I did make it past the stormclouds)

I used the above bar with:
Wastrel's, Empathy, and Channeling

Any ideas?

Even if you make it past the stormclouds, I still don't see you killing the patriarch let alone Khabbus. I don't think you have enough damage output. The way I use to solo it in the past was with sliver, but since it has changed, I assume it is not possible to solo anymore. Even with a ghastly stone or Oni stone, I just don't see you out damaging the frog rit healers.

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Originally Posted by Daddy

Not necessarily the idea of using one hero. According to the guy above you, 50% of the players have to make it to next shrine. So what if we brought one hero specced to help kill the boss(s)?

If your using 1 hero then it isn't solo, if your going to run it with a hero, you might as well bring another person to just SV+Empathy stuff to death. Even if you did bring 1 hero, you would have to ghost run him as far ahead of you as possible to just jump from the 1st shrine to the 2nd shrine. After that it is a cake walk.

Daddy · Dec 13, 2011, 06:34 PM // 18:34

What about an R/A with whirling?

And the 1 hero thing, makes me cringe cuz I feel we are heading to 600/smite.

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Daddy

What about an R/A with whirling?

And the 1 hero thing, makes me cringe cuz I feel we are heading to 600/smite.

I don't think there is enough ranged attackers to make it worth while to bring a R/A with whirling. Maybe Whirling with Winnowing for a bit more damage, but then it can backfire on you because most of the stuff hitting you will be the warrior frogs.

Genius Was Revrac · Dec 13, 2011, 06:47 PM // 18:47

The point we are trying to make is that a solo run is just not worthwhile due to the time it would take, pcons used, and the headache of the randomness of Stormcloud spawns. I know that having multiple accounts is a luxury, but I believe that is the only way to do it in a fast and reasonable manner.

With that being said, if you were to continue down this line of thought I do not think you would be able to do enough damage to the Patriarch like Matt (Schnell) has said. The boss group has major interupts in the form of warmongers weapon, so a perma blind will be needed( unseen fury+smoke powder) to keep the melee from ruining your day. Just not enough skill slots for a solo runner......

Daddy · Dec 13, 2011, 07:09 PM // 19:09

What about the DL solo UWG build? It was some sort of tanking beast, with spammable dmg. Assuming you can get past the stormcloud, that might be possible, but you guys are avoiding the 1 hero idea. Y could you not bring one hero specc'd to help kill the final grps around Khaabus?

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[QUOTE=Genius Was Revrac;5610849]The point we are trying to make is that a solo run is just not worthwhile due to the time it would take, pcons used, and the headache of the randomness of Stormcloud spawns. I know that having multiple accounts is a luxury, but I believe that is the only way to do it in a fast and reasonable manner. QUOTE]

That is a matter of opinion sir.

This was obviously the wrong place to take the idea. I was expecting to have people bouncing ideas off each other, not people shooting it down at every turn. But it is the internet, should've seen it coming.

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What if you say party run you and your heros to stormclouds, then pull them away while ghost flagging heros past. Then run heros to next shrine, wipe, kill boss and proceed to Khaabus. I remeber ghost running my hero's to speedbook ATC, awhile back and it seemed that no monsters would spawn if you were dead. That true? I know they added pop-ups to that mission to prevent it from being done, but can you apply those same tactics to this? Just wondering....

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 07:31 PM // 19:31

With the DL UWG build I don't see it happening. Warmonger's at the end will interrupt, and Stormclouds will still strip enchants. If you do manage to get past the stormclouds, I still don't think there will be enough damage to kill anything.

I'm trying to not be so negative, but I don't think that this is a dungeon you can solo.

UltrasWayOfLife · Dec 13, 2011, 07:35 PM // 19:35

It is possible with A/Me.
Assasine Badarka (Ectoplazma TV from youtube) soloed that dungeon while I was leeching.It needs a lot of cons and pcons so its not profitable.
Ask him for details,but I think he wont give you build.

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by UltrasWayOfLife

It is possible with A/Me.
Assasine Badarka (Ectoplazma TV from youtube) soloed that dungeon while I was leeching.It needs a lot of cons and pcons so its not profitable.
Ask him for details,but I think he wont give you build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb5-L...Q&feature=plcp

The video is 9 months old, and and he says there is a way to do it 8 months ago. The way i look at it, it is only possible if you have a hero or someone else helping you to kill stuff, hence it is not solo. Until it can be proved otherwise I can and will call bs.

Essence Snow · Dec 13, 2011, 07:54 PM // 19:54

as others have already noted...soloing boggy takes more cons/pcons than it is worth....ie..even if you get a froggy 1-20runs...chances are you spent more on cons than the froggy and time are worth...there really are only 4 foes one needs to kill for chest....patriarch...khabuus and his 2 war buddies..ebon sniper and hexes say hi

that being said..you could alway use the lame dungeon running build for boggy and charge ppl for the run....ie...have them pay for your cons...and tbh they do the dmg...kinda a cheap way to do it but it works..only need 1 person to make it free for u

*edit just noticed the build in the vid is this cheap way...not the true solo

UltrasWayOfLife · Dec 13, 2011, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb5-L...Q&feature=plcp

The video is 9 months old, and and he says there is a way to do it 8 months ago. The way i look at it, it is only possible if you have a hero or someone else helping you to kill stuff, hence it is not solo. Until it can be proved otherwise I can and will call bs.

As I said talk with him about the details.I don't want to reveal anything because it might be wrong or he wants to keep it for himself.

Schnellburg · Dec 13, 2011, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by UltrasWayOfLife

As I said talk with him about the details.I don't want to reveal anything because it might be wrong or he wants to keep it for himself.

I don't really care tbh. Daddy is the person who wants to figure it out. I'm just brainstorming and if he did it 9 months ago, doesn't mean it is still possible today.

Daddy · Dec 14, 2011, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I agree about the run not being cost effective, but neither is solo DoA. I'm looking for a new challenge. TBH I'm not exactly pro or anything, but I noticed that almost all dungeons could be run by yourself, with bogroots being the exception. I guess the title is a little misleading by saying solo farm, but I look at it now as a matter of intrigue. Still hoping for people to bounce some ideas around..

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What about bringing a bonder? I've never done the 600/smite thing, but is it possible to apply that concept to this dungeon? i.e. You run te shrines and wipe when appropriate, have your smiter bond u up with the norm stuff and SoJ and jump into the boss grps (or small pulls) and add a little damage of your own, like wastrels and others? That possible without the bonder grabbing aggro?